Buffalo & Black dogs: B & B #2

[MtKen]

Round 1 was fun, looking forward to a Canadian bacon & Molson breakfast in the near future.
Thanks for the congrats & thanks to Canuck for the 1st B&B.

I'd like to keep things going in Breeder's Cup month & will offer a prize of MT buffalo jerky (possibly straight from Ted Turner's herd) & a case of MT brew----Black Dogs, Moose Drools or Griz Whiz. No one makes Griz Whiz yet, might have to grab that trademark!

Canuck had the winner today---I'd like him to pick a race tomorrow.

Rules: 3 horse exacta box for $2. Keeps bookkeeping simple.

Pick a race with at least 9 entries, preferably more.

If you pick a turf race you must pick an alternate dirt race as well in case the turf gets moved to dirt. Anytime turf is moved to dirt the alternate will be used.

Anyone who has the EX gets credit for the $ & winner's can post the next day's race with preference given to those who haven't picked a race yet.

I think we need a limit on the exacta price & will go with $1000. What do you think? $500 seemed too low but that might make the B & B race more interesting. Need to hear opinions before Carl or HurriKane hit one for $800.

I'll bookkeep so keep your eyes open for FU's.

Carl: An interboard contest sounds great, maybe we should figure something out for Breeder's Cup or next month.

[MtKen]

Let's start on Weds & give everybody a break & a chance for those who frequent the other boards to invite any newbies to the contest. Give Canuck a couple of days to find a race; he's probably worn out from scorekeeping.......

[Carl]

As long as you are keeping score Mt Ken, I am in favor of ANYTHING you suggest.

Hopefully you get some posts here from prospective players with suggestions.

How are you planning on handling scratches?

Later,
Carl

[MtKen]

My thought is that you name your 3-horse box with 2 alternates listed in the order you would want them added. I wouldn't mind doing it the way Canuck did it, WPS, but I thought something different might be fun. What's everyone think? 90% of my bets go to the win pool, I could use exacta practice.

[hurrikane]

Sounds good to me. The way the last contest went it's more likely Carl or Ken will hit the 800 exacta.

As for the inter board contest...sounds interesting. Only problem I see is it turning into a pissing contest. There has already been a couple up here and it really takes away from what we are all hear for....handicapping races. If we can avoid that I'm all for it.

[MikeDee]

Dealers choice Ken so you call it. If you want to limit the top end to keep more guys in the game, that's fine with me.

[Carl]

Mt Ken,

Was planning on thinking about what I need to do for w***, so naturally started thinking about the exacta stuff instead.

Like you, I rarely play them.

But,
1) I think part of playing them profitably is tailoring the bet to "fit how you see the race".
2) So if we are going to have $12 a race to bet on exactas (which I think is good, don't know if $24 is better or not), I thought it would be more interesting if we could structure our bet past a box for creativity purposes. Maybe part wheels on top or bottom if we really like one horse, maybe two part wheels if we really liked two horses etc.
3) This would maybe allow us to see what the best ways to bet exactas are "in real life". Kind of a Tomcat's book in action as it were. The race may be to the best bettor, not the best handicapper this way. But then again, so it is in "real life" also.
4) And then, if I wanted, I could play $12 straight exactas too, which I really don't mind on occasion. Good to either open up at the head of the stretch or close ground late if needed.
5) Don't think it would make scoring any more difficult. And if you happen to miss one, we're not shy about letting you know.

Just a thought. Beats thinking about work hehe.

Later,
Carl

[George]

Kept trying to think about work, but Carl's suggestion makes so much sense just had to post.

Really would like to be able to structure part-wheels. Perhaps limit bets to $2 to simplify the math for score keeper, with maximum of $24 in the wheels.

Why? Partly to test Tomcat's book but mostly because I can't hit a 3 horse box that pays more than $6.80.

[canuck]

Heres my 2 cents having just gone through being a contest-meister--
Keep it as simple as possible for the scorer--I made several glaring errors just tallying WPS payouts--if we start throwing in multiple ex combos -and you are responsible for daily adding for 15 or more players--you may be spending an inordinate amount of time keeping the thing going----on the other hand if you have the time and the patience and maybe want an excuse to get away from the old ladiy for a while--bring it on!!! Give everybody a $100 a day and let them go nuts on exotics and pic 3s-LOL

[MtKen]

I wouldn't mind a part-wheel or a bet your own $24 deal if everybody keeps their own score.
But then people will have to be careful about dealing with scratches....if your key horse scratches are you then going to have a series of alternate bets to cover that scratch &/or another scratch? I realize boxes aren't the smartest way to bet but they would be the easiest to track contest-wise.

I guess a $12 bet with a $2 minimum wager (no $1 box) structured anyway you wanted would be easy enough to track. If a horse or two is scratched it will be the person's responsibility to change the bet before post-time or to have left clear instructions about what to do with scratches. Any more combos might be a nightmare, but i think i could deal with this.

With $12 & only 6 bets I'm leaning towards a $500 limit, maybe $750?????

ROI would be fairer for those who can't deal with this every single day but a pain to track.

So how about $12 to exacta bet (not quinellas) with a $2 min & a $500 or $750 limit & everyday play with me trying to keep score?

[Carl]

Sounds good to me.
1) Limit certainly no problem for me. I mean I play bad horses, but even so I think I have only had 4 or 5 lifetime over $500, and don't think I have ever had one over $750.
2) So we have in effect six units to bet in exacts any way we want, with a unit being $2?
3) So I guess I could call my bets like
1/2 ex $2.
1/4 ex $4
2/3 ex box $2
2/3 ex $2
Total bet $12.00
if scratch, sub #4.
4) I don't want to have to think too much, I don't plan to bet my doggies (might bet yours though hehe.)

Later,
Carl

[George]

Carl.......once hit an ex for $8828 and today caught one boxed for $838 in 5th LAD.
So I think we should have a high upper earning limit!!

Just kidding, think the $750 is fine.

[MtKen]

OK---$12 exacta bet with $2 minimum (6 bets max).

Please pick races that include at least 9 starters.

If there is a scratch the person is responsible for having a clearly understood alternate play or must update the pick before post-time.

Winners pick the next race, basically, like we've been doing.

$750 limit on exacta price.

If a turf race is picked an alternate dirt race with a reasonably later post (an hour+) must
also be given. Please, pick no night races so the next day's race can be up on the board at a reasonable hour: by 7 or 8 EST.

Total dollars won in month of Oct. wins the buff & brew. I'll keep score unless I prove math-challenged.

Canuck picks the 'gate opener' tomorrow for a race on Weds.

Everyone can refer back to this thread for rules (such as they are) & I'll mention this on Weds.

Unless anyone has any different ideas that's it from me.....

Good luck & hope we all become exacta wizards (Got my Tomcat book right here on the desk)...

[tbrown]

When does this start?
I thought Wednesday?