HTR Question

[Gambler844]

1. I notice that the 1C times on the velocity screen are faster than the times from equbase. I realize there is a track varient but what makes these times faster?

2. I like to try and figure out the pace of the race before I start handicapping. In route races the 1C is at 4F. Is there a figure somewhere were I can tell what the times or velocity will be at 1/4 mile?

[Rick]

km probably should address #1 but I would say that the 1c time in htr is to the hundreds of a second, 24.44, and that what you are getting from equibase is rounded to the lower fifth of a second. I have not looked at equibase files in a long time but have noticed in the past that that was the way the time was handled, like in the racing form.

For #2 check out Impact, especially the Impact text file that explains the fields and especially for eSP.

It reads something like: eSP = Early speed velocity rating measured at 2f in all races.

I really don't know why Ken bothers writting them since no one looks at them; but he does need to work on the HTR2001 one.:D :D :D

[Gambler844]

Thanks Ricks

[Rick]

Sorry!! I forgot you like the info in past performances.

Check out the Advanced PP in HTR2001, Ken has the 2fl time listed for routes. Looks like the time is rouded to tenths.

[Ken Massa]

Good Question Gambler.... and an issue that I never get tired of preaching about.

Take my word for it - the fractional times in HTR2001 are far more accurate than those you see in the DRF or Equibase pp's. For example, look at a Racing Form and find a 22.0 quarter listed. Then look at the same race in HTR2001. The correct fraction (rounded to nearest tenth) could be 22.0, 22.1 or 22.2. This is because DRF rounds down the times to the nearest fifth. HTR rounds directly to the nearest tenth (ie: 22.17 actual, HTR2001 = 22.2, DRF = 22.0). Internally, all HTR programs use the full hundreths decimal to calculate velocity numbers. Those numbers will be even more accurate in HTR2001 vs HTR because DOS does its own forced rounding of complex decimal numbers that dilutes accuracy slightly.

As Rick stated - the 1/4 mile fractional time is listed for all route races in HTR2001.

This issue of accurate time computation is a real pet peeve for me. Those that attended the seminar in June heard my lecture on the serious calculation errors for early fractions when the DRF method of rounding down to the nearest fifth of a second is utilized to compute velocity numbers. Let's hope the DRF retains the 100 year old 1/5 sec rounding for awhile longer so we can maintain those fat mutuels with Fr1.

[Bruce]

Ken/Rick,
I have had success with BRIS adding internal fractions to final times. E.G. TT+f3+FT has been an excellent indicator. I do the same with early pace as well.

Is there a way to do this with HTR?

I also like looking at several lines per horse instead of averaging or selecting just 1 line. Is there a way to do this with HTR that incorporates internal pace times. I know you can do so with Quirin pace/speed figs, but what about velocity or anything that uses TT or 1st call?

bruce

[Glen]

Bruce,

If you don't mind me jumping in...yes it is possible. You can do a whole card in about 3 or 4 minutes using Access or Excel...It can also be done by pencil and paper but that would take hours..

The above formula you stated looks like it would be really good for turf races or tracks where sustained pace is strong. Something that I have done in the past is create a figure by adding...

EP(Quirin 2nd Call) + PER(Quirin Final Time)

or

EP(Feet Per Second) + AP (Average Pace)

Sometimes you can find some real good prices on certain tracks.

[Bruce]

Thanks, Glen. I presume it would work just as well with MS Works spreadsheet.

I've got some old HTR files from when I trial it awhile ago. I'm not very good yet on spreadsheets..how do you import it?

bruce

[Glen]

Bruce, I guess you could do it with Works. Not sure, never used it...But anyways you want to downlaod htr4msa.exe:

http://www.homebased2.com/km/dnl/htr4msa.exe

to the C/HTR directory.

The help file is listed here:

http://www.homebased2.com/km/dnl/htr4msa.txt

To export the race/track you want use htr4msa. It will create a .txt file in your C/HTR folder. Somehow using Works (the Works help file might tell you have to do it), you will want to import a "comma deliniated" file. Once you import the file, you can simply create the figs you want by writing formulas.

For exmaple:
To create a formula that adds Fr1 plus Fr2...
Type: [nfr1] + [nfr2]

I realize that the directions above might be confusing, but once you get the hang of it, it is very simple...

Someone else might have easier instuctions...Feel free to post back

[Bruce]

I can import comma delimited files to Works.

Question: Instead of final time, could I substitute AP, maybe to make it an apples to apples?
So F2+F3+AP? Many people insist AP is nothing more than final time although Sartin and Brohamer always denied it.

bruce

[Glen]

True Bruce about AP.

Formula you want to use is

[vfr2] + [vfr3] + [vA/P]