Past Performance

[Gambler844]

With HTR can I get a past performance like DRF or Bris?

[Rick]

Past Performance looks like this in HTR:
10/12/2000 LAD Race 01 8.3F Dirt 3uF C05 $5000 Par: 090 PL: 2
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Fin: 2-1-8 Win: 11.80 Exa: 59.20 Tri: 365.80 Scr: none
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[1] Running Mistress--4y 7/2 E 05-2-1-1 $20215
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25Sep00 8-LAD 6.0D ft 088 C05 081-089 SA 02 3.0 4.5 12.0 12.8 8 073-075
#04Sep00 6-EVD 8.0D ft 088 C05 095-093 FF 01 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.2* 2 095-093
07Aug00 5-EVD 8.0D ft 088 C05 092-094 FF 09 1.5 1.5 5.0 14.0 2 090-084
14Jul00 5-EVD 8.0D ft 087 C05 094-091 FF 04 4.0 2.5 3.5 10.5* 3 091-084
23Jun00 4-EVD 8.0D ft 088 C05 093-087 FA 01 0.1 0.0 0.0 5.8* 6 093-083
12Jun00 8-EVD 8.0D ft 088 C05 092-089 FA 06 4.0 2.5 7.5 19.3 8 089-075
26May00 5-EVD 7.5D ft 088 C05 091-090 AA 03 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0* 1 091-090
26Mar00 3-FG 8.5D ft 093 C10 092-092 AA 01 0.0 0.0 0.0 4.0 2 092-090
19Mar00 1-FG 8.5D gd 091 STR 092-097 AF 04 0.1 0.5 9.5 21.0 6 091-084
05Mar00 11FG 6.0D ft 092 STR 097-096 FF 05 2.0 5.0 7.5 14.5 10 088-080

+Past Performance data.

Press <5> from the HTR menu's to print and/or view the past performances.

Below is a sample Past Performance line with some data highlighted.
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[1] SAMPLE HORSE---8y 3/1 P 33-12-6-5 $299,999
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15Oct97 1-SA 8.5D FT 108 GR3 108-107 6 3.0 2.5 2.5 1.5 2ND 106-106 11
| | | | | | | |
PAR | | Post Position | | | PER ratin
| Race PER(speed) | | Pace figure
Race pace figure | Finish
Beaten Lengths

The top portion for each horse lists, program number, name, age, morning
line, running style and money box.

Each past-performance line lists date, race number, track, distance,
surface, track condition, race par (for that particular race),

The windows version will have more info. Download HTR.exe and the help file. Download the 1999 Breeders Cup Races or download the HTR Demo file. It has sample races in it.

Then download the Windows Beta to see how the PP will be there. You have to download the full install, run it, then download the HTR.exe into the same directory you installed the full install into (ie C:\htr).

[MikeDee]

An important distinction to keep in mind is difference between a download of PP data versus a HTR file. To view and use HTR data you need to use the HTR programs. The files you down load are HTR files. The HTR data is not a PP file. It is factors and figures on a race by race basis of all of the entries in a race.

The extract we take from HTR for access are files by track date and race with the HTR figures for each entry. They ar not PP data for each runner in a race.

On the other hand a bris or drf past performace file is just that, you would need a program of some type that would take this PP data and turn it in to something usable for contender selection.

I would assume that a HSH file is data in a format for the HSH program similar to a HTR data file.

Hope this makes sense

[George]

Mike...interesting topic. Equibase provides some basic comma-delimited files which are then distributed to all vendors like Bris, HDW, etc.
The basic file is the drf single-format.

Of interest to me, the vendors then "sell" the same data to multiple users (HTR, HSH, AODDS, etc) at different prices. (whatever we will pay?).

The single-format file contains a "hidden" code in a specific place in the file that makes it an HTR, HSH, HAT, MULTICAPS, WORKHORSE file. Being a good programmer I discovered this long ago and used to use the same file for four different programs.

Sure hope the data police don't get me. Never had much guilt over it as I think the game they play with different pricing for same data should be illegal.

[R Mullikin]

George,

Interesting observations but wildly inaccurate. Equibase does not provide basic comma-delimited files to vendors, nor is the data that they do provide at all similar to the 'DRF single format' (this is a term and format that BRIS came up with). We receive many different file types based upon the type of data that Equibase is sending - entries, results, changes to the database, corrections, additions, trainers, jockeys, pedigrees, workouts, disqualifications, purse adjustments, etc. Only companies with an Equibase license receive the data from Equibase, like HDW for instance, and we pay a large fee for the right to use this data. BRIS always got their data from the DRF while TSN has an Equibase contract.

HDW and other licensed Equibase vendors do not 'sell' the data to vendors like HTR or HSH. HDW sells the right to use an HTR data file to the end-user (handicapper) for his own personal use. The same file that goes to an HTR customer is NOT the same file that goes to an HSH or SYNERGISM customer, for instance. It is not a file that came from Equibase, it is produced directly from HDW's own proprietary database. It is a binary file that is in a proprietary file format, not a comma-delimited 'single file format' like BRIS's, and cannot be used in any other program. An HTR file will not work in HSH or any other program.

Pricing for the different products is up to the software developer. We provide a 'raw material' that the software developer (HTR) uses to produce his own products - pace reports, speed figures, past performances, selections, odds lines, software interface, etc. It is therefore the software developer's right to name his own price. Capitalism at its finest!

Stealing data is illegal, but so far capitalism is still (mostly) legal.

[George]

Mullikin,
You are correct and I realized after my post that the HTR & HSH were poor examples and not interchangable. The file I was speaking of was the
BRIS file called "single-format" which was sold at
different pricing to AODDS, Multicaps, and Workhorse users as if it were different data.

It was not, and I felt obligated to buy their cheapest version and re-use it.

Agree wholeheartedly that anybody who "adds value" to the basic data has the right to charge whatever they can get for their effort. Was not advocating stealing or interchanging files, merely pointing out in some cases it can be done.

[MikeH]

R Mullikin -

It sounds like you might work for HDW. If so, I have a suggestion.

I have used BRIS for a long time, but last year I gave serious consideration to switching to HTR. The lack of software to print a racing form was my chief reason for not switching.

By a "racing form", I mean one that is laid out much the same way as BRIS's PP Generator or the DRF, especially the use of superscript to annotate the horses's beaten lengths.

So that you might understand where I am coming from, I design financial statements for clients so that their non-accounting managers can understand them. (Some will understand them better than others...). I put considerable time into the layout, making sure it reads "left-to right" and "top to bottom." I use lines, shading, and different size fonts to make it easier to see, and to logically group data together visually.

The basic layout of DRF fits this pattern, The PP's that are in HTR (and BRIS's Allways product) do not.

I use a computer program called HTRF, and I have somewhat modified the output, to give me a report that looks something like the "Stardust Report" that HTR has. I use this report, along with the racing form from BRIS's PP Generator to handicap. It is amazing what you can see in a report when you can see WHERE the data is coming from in the racing form. BRIS's PP Generator displays their 1st Call, Pace, Late Pace and Final speed numbers, along with the horse's position and beaten lengths at the various calls. What's more, it works with any of their software data files.

Of course, if I had my way, they could dump the comments, add turn time, and show the post position and #in as a fraction.

A product like this that would work on any of HDW's files would make your product much more attractive.

I'm not sure if I've been able to explain this very well, but if someone from HDW wants to talk about it, my phone # is 626/793-7602 in California.

[Gambler844]

I agree mike a past performance like DRF or Bris is what I would want see.

[Glen]

IMO, the HTR Windows Verison of the PP is just as good if not better than BRIS or DRF PP. What is most helpful is the final speed figure not only the horse in question but the winner of the all the previous races. Plus the addition on Impact trainer figure, Universal Jock Rating, C90 and other additions make it pretty solid.

[MikeH]

Glen -

I just downloaded and installed the new HTR2001. Are you referring to the screen titled "PP's Advanced."?

[Slider]

Originally posted by MikeDee
An important distinction to keep in mind is difference between a download of PP data versus a HTR file. To view and use HTR data you need to use the HTR programs. The files you down load are HTR files. The HTR data is not a PP file. It is factors and figures on a race by race basis of all of the entries in a race.

The extract we take from HTR for access are files by track date and race with the HTR figures for each entry. They ar not PP data for each runner in a race.

On the other hand a bris or drf past performace file is just that, you would need a program of some type that would take this PP data and turn it in to something usable for contender selection.

I would assume that a HSH file is data in a format for the HSH program similar to a HTR data file.

Hope this makes sense
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Assumption about HSH is true if user downloaded files from HDW, however if downloaded from ITS (Handicapper's Daily) You get both the HSH program and the ITS past performances. I have had both and rarely look at the past performances. The HSH program told me what I wanted to know. That is why I bought a handicapping program so I would not need to read past performance lines that everyone sees and plays accordingly.

[Glen]

Mike,

Yes, Advanced PP is what you want. KM says to particular attention to the "+" and "++" next the final speed figure of the race to look for horses exiting very fast races.

[hurrikane]

Glen, hope the contest went well.
I use the advanced PPs every day...they are great. I understand the new impact pps will be even better. Question, I have been following the + and ++ data..curious, have you found this to be negetive in some situations like after a layoff or if a horse runs the 'race of his life' ?

Slider...I agree with you about the program data..on advantage about a PP is you can see what the public is betting and why. I think it helps to know what they are thinking since they ARE the competition.
So...uh....it's slow over at HSH today. :D

[Swope]

Some of these racefiles can be used in several prgms. I used to DL the TSN .50 file and
use it in 4 diff prgms including their PP generator. Also, since you can DL same file several
times and they only charge 1 time I assume they're okay with that.
ITS PP's can also be used in HSH or several other 3rd party prgms.

[Glen]

Hurrikane,

Good question. I dunno....Massa "bator" says he's gonna put the + and ++ into an export for testing purposes.