Wanna be Beginner?

[Bigmagic]

I am currently reviewing the demo files and have read one PDF on using the K line when the Vi is between 25 and 30. Interesting results on the demo files. Is the HTR the overall pick of all the factors? I have many questions sorry if they seem silly. I used Brohammer's velocity numbers for years so this is all new to me. It took hours to do that and while I had a positive ROI it was a lot of work for a working man. I am now retired and I am looking to supplement my income and I came across this site and the information on HTR. What is RobotII? is it free to subscribers? I assume $$ is a longshot with a chance when do you play these? Please give me some general tips and get me started, I am computer literate and I promise that I don't have unrealistic expectations(I have played the horses before) I know what can happen in a race. I am interested in starting out with some plays like the Vi= 25/30 type of play. I am setting up an online account to wager with(saves me a drive to Oklahoma) and once I have somewhere to bet I will subscribe and give it a try. Thanks!


Be ready for questions!

[Rick]

All the programs are free for subscribers.

HTR_TOUR will be the KM screen in HTR2 in the Jul upgrade.

Robot2 is a great way to make spot plays but it helps to have more race files.

When you subscribe you will be able to download about 45 days of past race files.

Go to http://www.homebased2.com/km/index.htm

Click on HTR2 Help. You will find help files for some of the screens.

Click on HTR Library. You will find articles and some of the past newsletter. When you subscribe you will have access to the more recent newsletters.

I good idea is to download all the newsletter to a separate directory. You can then use Adobe Reader to search all the newsletters in that directory for items you are looking for info on. The newsletters are probably the greatest source. You can also do searches on the forum and when you don't find what you are looking for you can always ask.

[completebill]

BigMagic-------Welcome to HTR! Rick's advice is spot on. Rick is the webmaster, and is Ken's "right-hand man". Both are quality individuals, and always willing to help. Many members actively participate in the forums and will offer help, too.

I've been with HTR for 15 months and am still learning. Don't be daunted, though--you can quickly pick up the basics and start really getting results.

Again, as Rick says, read EVERYTHING that's available on the website, and that's a LOT. Have HTR open in front of you as you read.

There are other fine programs available, but I truly believe this is the best. Ken is way ahead of the curve, and the program, which he is constantly updating, contains many proprietary ratings that are of immense help.

Ken is busy beyond belief, but returns phone calls if you really need to ask him something. Use the Forums here first, though. Ken And Rick both read them and are kind and helpful with their responses.

--------------GOOD LUCK!!!----------Bill

[Bigmagic]

I appreciate the tips, anyone have a preferred online sportsbook that is trustworthy?

[Rick]

I use PTC and then Twinspires for what PTC doesn't carry.

I tried YouBet but got tired of their surcharge.

[Bigmagic]

I use PTC and then Twinspires for what PTC doesn't carry.

I tried YouBet but got tired of their surcharge.

I tried Twinspires but they don't let Missourians in? Suggestions?

[completebill]

I was Grandfathered into TwinSpires when they bought my prior ADW provider. I've faced various residency exclusions over the years, but have always found a way around them. I'm not even sure--I might still be using my son's address in New York even now (I live in CA). Get creative---see what kind of "proof" they require. Think of friends and relatives. Perhaps you can find someone, if absolutlely necessary, to open up the account in their name, for your use. I don't think there's any risk to them, other than the "signer" problem..If they trust you to absorb any tax liability, you're good.

THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION (disclaimer). I, of course. would never do such a thing. BUT--I've never been asked to actually send even a photocopy of my S>S. card.What if you "accidently" gave them the wrong number?? If you were only off on 1 or two digits (Transposed 2 numbers, for example)??---I don't think that, even if discovered (very unlikely), you'd be prosecuted or penalized for fraud for this "innocent mistake"!!

What kind of a Gambler are you?????!!!!!!--------------signed: An anonymous contributor!!

[Rick]

http://www.betptc.com/faqs.jsp

They don't list MO as one of the states you can't be from.

They also don't carry WO, BEL and a few other tracks.

[njcurveball]

Please give me some general tips and get me started, I am computer literate and I promise that I don't have unrealistic expectations(I have played the horses before)

I guess the biggest tip I can give you is to go to a Chili Cook-off. Walk around see how many different ways the people there use the same ingredients. Ask one person you get one recipe, ask two people you will get two, etc.

I have been around this game too long to take any one answer as gospel. I say you have two choices where to start. First would be to toss all experience you have out the window and start fresh. 99.999% of the time people will not do that and any advice given has to mesh with past experience. Honestly, it won't.

So the next choice is to take a good look at what you are doing, map a path to what you want to do and then work to build that bridge. So you say you have been doing velocity figures by hand and you are computer literate. The next logical step to that would be to get an Access book. Learn Access and export the HTR data to your database.

Write the same reports with the HTR velocity figures as the ones you are currently doing. Run in parallel for a week. Do yours before the races, then print the HTR ones after. Compare the results. Can you trust the HTR output on every figure?

Can you trust the automatic pace-line selection? I think if you read enough threads you will find the words "trust the box".

I won't give any more advice past that, because you are looking at a 6 month project to do that. But the good news is that once it is done, you have a lifetime to use it.

My chili recipe is different then many and from past experience on this board, the worst thing we can do with someone new is all chime in. The reason is that there is no marriage of approaches with this game. You have to be a loner and use your own.

Ken might have a $40 winner at Hollywood, Dan a $40 winner at Belmont and Gupta a $40 winner at Calder. Mixing their approaches, you will probably not hit any of them.

Forget the nuts and bolts of the program and stick with what you already know. See how the workload can be cut greatly using Access and the export. Learn to trust the numbers and when you get back to square one, then it is time to embellish that approach.

It is going to be a bumpy ride if you are headed in the right direction. I could sit here and give you 50 winners a day. You would lose money and cash a lot of tickets. Check out the selection threads. They are a good start to see an approach. My approach rarely lets me bet a horse under 4-1. I can cash lots of tickets if I relax that standard, but it would just eat up my bankroll.

Last but not least, there are absolutes and nothing written in stone. If I make a horse 6-5 and he is going off at 5-2, I am all in. This is a rare event. The crows doesn't miss by that much and there isn't a winning overlay every race. Patience, focus, determination, and lots and lots of caffeine for late night study will be your best friends.

Best of luck to you!
Jim

[DanG]

Post #9

Such good, practical advice in Jim’s post I don’t know where to start. :cool:

[Bigmagic]

I guess the biggest tip I can give you is to go to a Chili Cook-off. Walk around see how many different ways the people there use the same ingredients. Ask one person you get one recipe, ask two people you will get two, etc.

I have been around this game too long to take any one answer as gospel. I say you have two choices where to start. First would be to toss all experience you have out the window and start fresh. 99.999% of the time people will not do that and any advice given has to mesh with past experience. Honestly, it won't.

So the next choice is to take a good look at what you are doing, map a path to what you want to do and then work to build that bridge. So you say you have been doing velocity figures by hand and you are computer literate. The next logical step to that would be to get an Access book. Learn Access and export the HTR data to your database.

Write the same reports with the HTR velocity figures as the ones you are currently doing. Run in parallel for a week. Do yours before the races, then print the HTR ones after. Compare the results. Can you trust the HTR output on every figure?

Can you trust the automatic pace-line selection? I think if you read enough threads you will find the words "trust the box".

I won't give any more advice past that, because you are looking at a 6 month project to do that. But the good news is that once it is done, you have a lifetime to use it.

My chili recipe is different then many and from past experience on this board, the worst thing we can do with someone new is all chime in. The reason is that there is no marriage of approaches with this game. You have to be a loner and use your own.

Ken might have a $40 winner at Hollywood, Dan a $40 winner at Belmont and Gupta a $40 winner at Calder. Mixing their approaches, you will probably not hit any of them.

Forget the nuts and bolts of the program and stick with what you already know. See how the workload can be cut greatly using Access and the export. Learn to trust the numbers and when you get back to square one, then it is time to embellish that approach.

It is going to be a bumpy ride if you are headed in the right direction. I could sit here and give you 50 winners a day. You would lose money and cash a lot of tickets. Check out the selection threads. They are a good start to see an approach. My approach rarely lets me bet a horse under 4-1. I can cash lots of tickets if I relax that standard, but it would just eat up my bankroll.

Last but not least, there are absolutes and nothing written in stone. If I make a horse 6-5 and he is going off at 5-2, I am all in. This is a rare event. The crows doesn't miss by that much and there isn't a winning overlay every race. Patience, focus, determination, and lots and lots of caffeine for late night study will be your best friends.

Best of luck to you!
Jim

Thanks Jim for the wonderful post! I have been doing that with the demo past performances and I have been impressed even though its a small sample. I have a race shape profile that I have long used that meshes well with the software as far as what soft fast & normal pace mean. I also discovered in the short sample some trends that might pay off big. Each track is slightly different and the field sizes and conditions have to be monitored closely but I am anxious to get going. I am going to Oklahoma Monday for a poker tournament and I think I'll try to get registered in the morning. I may place a few bets while I'm down there. I used to crush the Hollywood and Delmar meets when I played regular and Oaklawn was my best track. My best day ever my brothers and sisters found out I was winning and all(11 of them) came to the track one Sunday. I hit a trifecta and a superfecta with some of them betting with me and two of my sisters remodeled their kitchens with the money they won. My brothers of course were trying to beat me but it was a great day. Trouble is they thought I could do it everyday and had no concept of the long odds that we had overcome. In fact had it not been for a horse breaking down in the stretch we would not have hit the superfecta. The four I had would have finished 2345. Oh well it was a great day, I have always loved the horses. Winning is great but if I didn't enjoy it so much I wouldn't even bother. I'm very impressed with the knowledge level that resides here. I will shut up and learn now. Thanks again!

[John]

Wow, I agree with Dan but I would add that everybody read it at least 10 times. Nice post njcurveball.

John

[njcurveball]

. I used to crush the Hollywood and Delmar meets when I played regular and Oaklawn was my best track. My best day ever my brothers and sisters found out I was winning and all(11 of them) came to the track one Sunday. I hit a trifecta and a superfecta with some of them betting with me and two of my sisters remodeled their kitchens with the money they won. My brothers of course were trying to beat me but it was a great day.

Addictive, isn't it? My girlfriend came out to ACRC one day with her family and her daughters boyfriend naturally asked me what to look for in the paddock. He is a bright intelligent lad, but what could I impart in a few minutes in the paddock that would reflect decades of learning? And what if I talked him off the horse he liked cause it was his Mothers name and then that horse romped?

And the biggest problem with this game is that the path to winning more races is a shortcut to the poor house.

I think the way to get hired on TVG is when they asked would you rather have a short price or a long face, you answer YES emphatically. :D

It is a brand new world with Simulcasting and computers. Gone are the days from decades ago when authors wrote books showing full cards from six tracks as definitive proof they had found the Holy Grail.

You sound like you have a good method and sound betting principles. Best way to experience HTR is sitting at the Seminar. Next best way is sitting at a tournament table with the great people.

It is certainly more the indian than the arrow, but some indians use much better arrows. ;) I think that is one thing we can agree on with HTR.

Good luck to you!
Jim